Looking to breed Rottweiler to create cold weather protection dog

  • I live in New England and have an unneutered male Rottie I'd like to breed with another well-bred Rottie or malamute type dog from a distinctly protective line. I'm seeking to breed with a large (90+ lbs.) female. Or if you've got a protective unspayed malamute or Rottie female you'd consider selling, please get in touch! We should discuss health testing. Rotties should be tested for eyes, elbows and hips. My dog is not yet tested so we can talk about a cost effective way to do so. :)

  • When you say cold weather protection dog I understand you mean a dog that will live outdoors full time. How cold does the temperature get? What shelter will you have for the dog?

  • The dog will not be an outdoor guard dog. I understand living indoors seriously compromises an animal's coat thickness but this will be an indoor house dog like every dog I've had. I enjoy cold weather camping though and, even on day hikes, make campfires to sit by. I would like the dog to be comfortable under such conditions. My present Rottweiler does not have an undercoat and I keep him lean, another strike against staying warm(!), nonetheless he's much more comfortable in cool weather than my pit bulls were in the past.

    This past weekend single digit lows were predicted so I abstained from camping because I want my dogs to enjoy themselves not have to "hang in there." The pit bull gets cold even in his converted human parka, so he stays under blankets. While camping, the dogs sleep in the truck, never outside. As much as my work allows, my dogs are continually in my presence.

  • Hew Teuto, welcome to the group =)

    What line of work are u in? Have you considered just getting a protection dog fitted for cold weather instead of creating a new one? What about a GSD? Germans used them a lot in WWII and they proved to be good in cold weather. There is also the Caucasian Ovcharka or Caucasian shepherd dog if you size is your concern. Are you gonna use the dog for protection only or will it be performing other tasks? Hunting maybe?

  • Teuto, the conditions you described remind me that cold tolerance to a large extent is a matter of conditioning. I've kept rottweilers outdoors in a kennel in down to -15c and they do fine. They grow a thick undercoat. I've also seen pit bulls kept in these conditions and they seem to do fine. If a dog is kept indoors and is taken outdoors temporarily, that's when it may have difficulty coping with extreme cold, with the exception of breeds specifically made for the cold like the CO mentioned by Sergio. But then that's a whole different animal you'll be living with as compared to a rott.

    I don't think it's necessary to start mixing breeds to get a dog that can do what you describe, even from a purely physical traits point of view. Never mind the unpredictable temperament traits you'll end up with. That's assuming you know what you're looking for as far as the dog's temperament.

    Keep in mind you'll need to find homes for the pups you will not be keeping. This is most often easier said then done when it comes to mixed breed pups.

  • Thank you both for making me feel welcome. I'm not looking to create a new breed or mutt. My first choice would be to find an unspayed female Rottweiler that is either for purchase or that someone is willing to breed to an unpapered male. A female malamute would be a less desirable second choice option... and I've purposely not capitalized. I mean an old school malamute rather than a show bred Alaskan Malamute.

    I'd prefer this to be a joint venture with someone with whom I develop a trusting relationship, as my work would make caring for pups pretty unfeasible. That's also why I wouldn't consider purchasing a female Rottie pup. At this point, it's a slim chance the logistics would work out but it's still worth a shot to ask around.

    As for Ovcharkas, in appearance, I prefer the Central Asian Tajik to the Caucasian, but overall I haven't been super impressed with what I've seen about their protection behavior. Also, flock guardians tend to be barkers. I knew a couple of different Caucasian owners who admitted they barked a lot. I know another person who had two Kangals. She was annoyed that they barked at every bit of scrap that blew by. In my living situation, I cannot have a barker.

    My Rottie is silent, he lets me know someone is there without alerting them of our presence. That's perfect. A malamute line would likely introduce more barking behavior though I'm not as informed about that breed as I probably should be.

    I would not consider a GSD... or an Akita.

    Lastly, I'm only looking to generate dogs for myself. As you pointed out, finding homes is not something I'd relish, particularly if the dogs have been bred to be protective.

  • PS:

    I should mention that I'm not against the idea of a Kangal or Ovcharka. I'd like to learn more about these breeds - beyond the general stuff available online. I'd also want to know about the specific line the dog came from and develop a rapport with the owners. Sadly, I've found people pretty unapproachable and uninterested in dialogue.

  • If anyone picks up this thread at a later date, I will likely still be interested in finding a fertile and health tested female Rottweiler. I'm also interested in finding people with similar interest in my area.