Posts by Chad

    Sorry for the late response Pete, been very busy. I agree with you in your thinking about when praise is required. Sometimes I do get a little carried away:D
    As far as why continue to train often, I consider it as exercise and a energy release for the dogs. Last thing I'm looking for is flashy perfection in a Dogo with OB. Hoss in particular is a working dog to the core and needs an outlet from daily life. I do not have the resources to hunt with him and besides walking and playing ball everyday I set aside a few hours on the weekends to let him do what he loves to do WORK.

    Thanks Sergio. I've tried to condition him to wearing that agitation muzzle by randomly putting it on him a few times a month for a short period of time and he seems to be OK with it. Since the muzzle is not a perfect fit once I tighten it enough to safely do manwork it must become uncomfortable because he wants it off. For the vet and crowed places he will wear his clear vinyl one with no problems for hours. If I can get my hands on a quality one with a better fit I'll get it.
    He will OUT without the Ecollar, sometimes faster than others but always will release. Here is a video with his average OUT, it's not picture perfect but he does comply.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=curC__XWww0

    Thanks for watching the video Pete. This was considered a test so my praise was kept to a minimum. There was not a single correction made thought the entire event. Me pulling on his leash that was connected to a soft 2 1/2" leather collar was far from a correction for this dog. The first time he worked in a muzzle in an attempt to get it off he managed to get his dew claw caught in the muzzle and ripped it out requiring a trip to the vet and being out of commission for over a month. I didn't want to go through that again. And the ecollar was only utilized as communication with vibration not stimulation. He fully understands that vibrate means out/stop if that is ignored then there will be a correction. I do not have a heavy hand with Hoss, he is a very serious dog that requires complete and total control.
    Ideally I would of gave the dog a bite in end but my daughter was sleeping and I couldn't risk anymore barking that could of woke her up.
    Once it was over I did praise him immensely and gave him a larger than average dinner :)

    Gee- for a hobbit you sure like to talk a lot of shit. I understand why you need a protection dog. You still haven't produced a single video showing that your dog is what you make him out to be. So until you produce something of substance your the joke. Did you forget once again your the one that started the you post one I'll post one shit? Keep playing with your pussy dogs and shut the fuck up.

    Gee- that was the first time I used that decoy and I don't know why he grabbed the lead either. I was happy with the results from the dog though. He did what he was supposed to.


    Please don't forget your the one claiming to train with EXTREME duress not me. I do not have a video that I would consider to be made under heavy pressure nor did I make that claim. But compared to a video of a 70 year old man playing victim to your dog or a leg bite video where he is in a harness waiting on the decoy to come in and was that your daughter or wife doing being the distraction while your dog was in the bite? YOU labeled that video under duress and I don't see it.


    I want to keep this friendly. If you want to compare videos obviously it would be one made in the future with the same criteria.

    Gee- could you please post a video of your dog working under this EXTREME duress you speak of?


    When the dog is muzzled and time and time again he gets the satisfaction of dominating the decoy, is that not a reward? He may not get the same satisfaction as a bite but is still rewarding and confidence boosting. Do you not think the dog looks forward to that once he sees the muzzle? I agree that the muzzle is a excellent tool to proof a dog but how many times do you need to proof a dog?


    In my avatar pic the decoy is in shorts only because it is very hot here in south Florida. Notice the dog is on leash thus controlled so he can only have a arm bite. He is far from a sleeve oriented dog and will bite anywhere.


    You are taking what I said out of context calling it bullshit. I meant a dog comfortable and regularly trained in a muzzle worked in muzzle does not prove anything more than just that.


    Now if you slapped a muzzle on a 2-3 year old dog for the first time to PROOF him and he engages a decoy with everything he's got, that'll impress me.

    Good morning guys,
    I totally agree that a muzzle is a very important training tool but is commonly overused.
    IMO once a dog uses a muzzle a few times he learns it's a training tool and it loses any type of validation integrity, no different than that sleeve he loves to bite. Once muzzled his mindset is changed into ok I know what's coming Im ready to go I know this routine.


    And to answer your question if I think he would sink his teeth in, I couldn't tell you based on that video. Let me tell you why. For the last 2 years I have trained alongside a very nice Shepard. He works amazingly while in training serious leg bites, tracks great, completely off leash trained, and he really shines in muzzle work. He is the star of the show on the field. I've seen him go over a hundred yards and work a decoy muzzled one on one with great intensity. With that being said I invited him to come train with Dan and I so he showed up. Once this dog was taken out of his comfort zone put out on a strange street he looked like a different dog. He had the courage of a pet dog and wouldn't stand up to agitation once it started to get serious. There is no question that this dog wasn't a manstopper and will never be a manstopper, but he sure works great in a muzzle!
    Your dog very well may be the real deal but this one wasn't and sure had me fooled!
    That's why IMO you can't make an accurate evaluation based on a video of a trained dog doing trained muzzle work.

    Brody- haha, with a 14 month old and 3 Dogos sleep is a thing of the past lol


    Gee- Cool video! It was a little soft and too short of a fight for my taste to consider that a manstopper "test". I really didn't see any pressure put on the dog and he has clearly been trained in a muzzle before. He seems very controlled and obedient. He looks like a large Shepard how tall is he and what is his weight?

    Good topic and great points from everyone! I also prefer the puppy route over a "trained" adult dog.
    Last weekend I picked up a female pup and had the opportunity to spend 3 hours with the with parents and litter. This puppy was in no way being advertised as any type of protection or sport dog. When I got there I asked if I could "test" the sire and dam. He looked a little puzzled and after I explained he agreed. The sire was in the backyard so I walked up to the fence and acted like I was trying to lift the lever. The second the he saw me he ran to the gate with a thunderous bark and missed my arm by about 6 inches. He was nothing but forward and would rather break the gate down to get at me instead of standing his ground snarling or showing teeth. About an hour later I asked him to bring him out to the front of the house and I hid behind a tree. Once he got about 50 ft from me I walked toward him fast and animated. With zero hesitation the dog was on his hind legs, forward in anticipation of engagement. His leash and collar were not up to par so it ended there.
    Unfortunately this dog has never had any type of training OB or PD. But the body language said it all, confident natural guardian.
    When the dam came out and saw me with her pups that was enough for her to bark and show some good aggression. Within 5 minutes she calmed down enough for me to pet her.


    Overall I liked what I saw and decided to roll the dice! :)

    So I had a training date w Dan set up this past weekend and I decided to bring out Lexie for the first time. She is only 6 1/2 months old but has shown signs that she might pick up on a suspicious decoy and hopefully stand her ground w some barks.


    I started filming after the first approach was made. You can see she is barking and looking for him to re-appear, even scenting the air. Looking back I wasn't in a ideal spot because she had limited visibility and kept checking both left and right instead of just focusing forward. At 15 seconds she sees the decoy on the 2nd approach. The decoy made a few appearances and would immediately run away at her bark. We will probably try again soon and if there is improvement we will continue, if not we'll wait until she gets a little older.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsAkOM2rxSY

    Good post Brody. I too have thought about this many times. I have been taking Hoss to a group class since he was four months of age and he really looks forward to the work. He has fun, gets a hell of a work out, socialization and even a couple bites. But that's it. He knows it is not for real and there is nothing you can do to him while he is on that field short of physically hurting him to convince him otherwise. So I put no expectations on him ever taking any thing away from that class to help him become a better PD.
    Once the dog is considered a finished PD IMO a true to life scenario here and there backed up with a good agitation session is all that would really be needed to ensure the dog is still sharp and keep him on his toes.

    By the looks of that house I doubt it had an alarm system installed. A alarm company calls the owner of the home first and asks for a password if the password is incorrect or no one answers they notify the police. If she did have a alarm and didn't answer the call shame on her.


    The cops ignorance shines through when he tells her " that's a Rottweiler they are big dogs you can't control them", and the next clip shows her training OB with the survivor. What are the chances of that dog actually engaging a person who backed up and didn't pose a threat is slim to none. He may of had a bruised ego but the dog would still have his life. When he saw a locked gate and nothing suspicious he should of called it in and had the operator call the home BEFORE entering private property.

    Welcome.
    Harrison, What breed of dog did you get and is it a male or female and lastly age? I highly recommend having Dan evaluate the pup and set up a training program based on your end goals. I have been working with him for over a year now and he will try his hardest to get the most out of your dog.

    Brody, I've never seen any videos or seen any evidence of Dogos in Argentina doing man work. When I was with the transporter I told him I use Dogos for protection and he said yes they are very good. He showed me a picture in his phone of his male and he said that one time he came home to find his front door open and drops off blood on his floor. He said his Dogo at 8 months had the intruder in the corner biting at his legs and the guy was begging for the dog to stop. He said that when Ulises comes to his house he growls and barks at him and he said Ulises likes him and taps on the glass and agitates him. It could be bullshit but that's what he said. I think they have a hard enough time trying to keep the man aggression image under the radar and would rather show them performing their primary function as a noble hunting dog.

    Lol that's google translate for you! No Brody he didn't go in to any detail, what I posted was all that was said. My take thus far is that the Argentinean people are very proud, especially about their breed and questions along those lines could be taken as a insult. If the answer were coming from someone else I would flow up with some investigative questions. I take his answer for what it is and lean to the image of a prime cougar in the fight. Not a worn out drugged up declawed cat. But on the other hand if it were a scumbag pit fight for money who knows. With the exposure the guy has had since birth with hunting/combat dogs he has seen ALOT.